Comments on: Am I to “old” to get Facebook? – or do they not get it? http://www.identitywoman.net/am-i-to-old-to-get-facebook-or-do-they-not-get-it#utm_source=feed&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=feed Saving the World With User-Centric Identity Fri, 26 Feb 2010 07:50:16 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: SXSW - Hula Hut edition of Social Web TV | Identity Woman http://www.identitywoman.net/am-i-to-old-to-get-facebook-or-do-they-not-get-it/comment-page-1#comment-221294 SXSW - Hula Hut edition of Social Web TV | Identity Woman Tue, 17 Mar 2009 17:57:49 +0000 http://www.identitywoman.net/?p=960#comment-221294 [...] there Josh and I started talking about one of the things I blogged about the Facebook post I did from Day one of SXSW. I am not sure if Facebook understands that having people use their “Real Names” is not [...] [...] there Josh and I started talking about one of the things I blogged about the Facebook post I did from Day one of SXSW. I am not sure if Facebook understands that having people use their “Real Names” is not [...]

]]> By: Bugfrog http://www.identitywoman.net/am-i-to-old-to-get-facebook-or-do-they-not-get-it/comment-page-1#comment-221057 Bugfrog Mon, 16 Mar 2009 20:42:40 +0000 http://www.identitywoman.net/?p=960#comment-221057 I talked about this topic recently and got mixed reactions, but one of the things that makes the identity and privacy issue interesting for me is the various facets of our human lives. You may be totally open and honest with your family and friends, but is that the information your boss and coworkers should be confronted with as well? A user can put all their information on the web (technically no privacy), but it could be segmented so that conflicting facets don't bleed together. Unfortunately, these issues still haven't been worked out in real life either, so there is no template to build on. Celebrities and politicians have had to deal with this for decades, and now the general public is getting a chance. I have friends in very small towns that are amazed about what they consider my lack of privacy, but yet everyone in their town knows what everyone else does. There are truly no secrets among the residents, but I am the one who has given up my privacy. Does our society's concept of privacy contain within it some degree of respect or don't ask don't tell? "Your privacy is in tact as long as we don't speak in front of you." How different is that from a total stranger knowing about your life? As our world and sphere of influence grow, do they start to become more like a small community again? Hopefully, identity management on the web can grow in a direction that will allow each person to choose not only what level of detail they want to share, but who they want to share it with. I talked about this topic recently and got mixed reactions, but one of the things that makes the identity and privacy issue interesting for me is the various facets of our human lives. You may be totally open and honest with your family and friends, but is that the information your boss and coworkers should be confronted with as well?

A user can put all their information on the web (technically no privacy), but it could be segmented so that conflicting facets don’t bleed together. Unfortunately, these issues still haven’t been worked out in real life either, so there is no template to build on. Celebrities and politicians have had to deal with this for decades, and now the general public is getting a chance.

I have friends in very small towns that are amazed about what they consider my lack of privacy, but yet everyone in their town knows what everyone else does. There are truly no secrets among the residents, but I am the one who has given up my privacy. Does our society’s concept of privacy contain within it some degree of respect or don’t ask don’t tell? “Your privacy is in tact as long as we don’t speak in front of you.” How different is that from a total stranger knowing about your life? As our world and sphere of influence grow, do they start to become more like a small community again?

Hopefully, identity management on the web can grow in a direction that will allow each person to choose not only what level of detail they want to share, but who they want to share it with.

]]> By: Managing multiple profiles « Working Notes 2.0 http://www.identitywoman.net/am-i-to-old-to-get-facebook-or-do-they-not-get-it/comment-page-1#comment-220966 Managing multiple profiles « Working Notes 2.0 Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:09:58 +0000 http://www.identitywoman.net/?p=960#comment-220966 [...] her real name (I think!) ) as Kaliya Hamlin - I do so as a sign of respect for what she writes) musing about the same sort of thing, after a session on Privacy at SXSW, which had involved lots of (young male) FB [...] [...] her real name (I think!) ) as Kaliya Hamlin – I do so as a sign of respect for what she writes) musing about the same sort of thing, after a session on Privacy at SXSW, which had involved lots of (young male) FB [...]

]]> By: Trent Wood http://www.identitywoman.net/am-i-to-old-to-get-facebook-or-do-they-not-get-it/comment-page-1#comment-220756 Trent Wood Sun, 15 Mar 2009 16:22:53 +0000 http://www.identitywoman.net/?p=960#comment-220756 I am a college student (20 years old) and over the past couple months there has been a noticeable trend of parents getting on Facebook. I think it started with people in there 20s, then their friends in their 30s got on, etc. It wouldn't surprise me if Grandparents eventually joined. Your privacy concern is a great point. These online identities force us to be more transparent with our lives. Pictures and comments can be posted for our whole world to see and there's not a lot you can do at that time. So if you are trying to hold two different identities, it is not a place to join. However, I think the social network tools are having a great impact on society. I am much closer now to my uncle in California who I used to talk to once a year. Same with my parents while being in college. I love how connected I am with people. Plus, I am to the point where I don't care what people think of me. I am who I am. I don't have anything to hide. I'm sure you've noticed in the social business sector that these tools help promote the value of your products and services. It is a great way to enlighten people on the damages of the mainstream products. Also, with the constant stream of information with Twitter, Linked-In, Facebook, etc., it has become increasingly difficult for businesses and people to lie about things. The governments will be much more hard pressed to conceal things such as global warming. Although there is a loss in privacy, I think all the social networks will make the world a better place. Trent Wood I am a college student (20 years old) and over the past couple months there has been a noticeable trend of parents getting on Facebook. I think it started with people in there 20s, then their friends in their 30s got on, etc. It wouldn’t surprise me if Grandparents eventually joined. Your privacy concern is a great point. These online identities force us to be more transparent with our lives. Pictures and comments can be posted for our whole world to see and there’s not a lot you can do at that time. So if you are trying to hold two different identities, it is not a place to join. However, I think the social network tools are having a great impact on society. I am much closer now to my uncle in California who I used to talk to once a year. Same with my parents while being in college. I love how connected I am with people. Plus, I am to the point where I don’t care what people think of me. I am who I am. I don’t have anything to hide. I’m sure you’ve noticed in the social business sector that these tools help promote the value of your products and services. It is a great way to enlighten people on the damages of the mainstream products. Also, with the constant stream of information with Twitter, Linked-In, Facebook, etc., it has become increasingly difficult for businesses and people to lie about things. The governments will be much more hard pressed to conceal things such as global warming. Although there is a loss in privacy, I think all the social networks will make the world a better place.

Trent Wood

]]> By: Elizabeth http://www.identitywoman.net/am-i-to-old-to-get-facebook-or-do-they-not-get-it/comment-page-1#comment-220568 Elizabeth Sun, 15 Mar 2009 00:03:09 +0000 http://www.identitywoman.net/?p=960#comment-220568 You have brought up really interesting points. I agree completely about the need for control of the info that gets shared online (often in surprising ways – and there is no way to undo any damage) and that verifying someone’s “real name” has little to do with authenticity. In some ways, Facebook is marvelous, but the need for human contact is not totally obviated by a few messages on one's wall, is it? Teenagers used to spend an inordinate amount of time on the phone and hanging out, and now it's spent online. Naturally they are not aware of "missing” anything, any more than we were aware of missing the delights of the horse and buggy ride when we were young. Privacy is steadily eroding, but people who grew up without it don’t seem to miss it. No, Facebook developers totally do not get it, because privacy and hyper-sharing is not an issue for them. This is a generation that welcomes ever-more intrusive technology, such as the GPS feature on your phone letting your “friends” know exactly where you are. The definition of “friend” is pretty loose. Would I feel comfortable with a teenaged daughter letting hundreds of people know where she is, what she’s doing, etc? I don’t want to sound paranoid, but the personal info that gets shared is pretty shocking to people who weren’t brought up on a diet of non-stop info, and safety issues are a real concern. It’s not that we’re too old to change – what is the incentive to change? We were not accustomed to hearing from anyone, save perhaps a best friend or 2, on a several-times daily basis, nor accustomed to an unceasing onslaught of rather trivial, banal and trite revelations. I value my personal contacts very, very highly. My real friends. I do not really care if they’re going shopping or performing some other mundane task. Although I welcome genuine news from friends, I do not crave it every few minutes. Facebook (or any other such site) simply may not suit your social style, in which case you might be happier sharing what you want to share (and nothing more!) on a ning-style social networking site or having old-fashioned parties. What can replace the hug of an old friend? You have brought up really interesting points. I agree completely about the need for control of the info that gets shared online (often in surprising ways – and there is no way to undo any damage) and that verifying someone’s “real name” has little to do with authenticity. In some ways, Facebook is marvelous, but the need for human contact is not totally obviated by a few messages on one’s wall, is it?

Teenagers used to spend an inordinate amount of time on the phone and hanging out, and now it’s spent online. Naturally they are not aware of “missing” anything, any more than we were aware of missing the delights of the horse and buggy ride when we were young. Privacy is steadily eroding, but people who grew up without it don’t seem to miss it.

No, Facebook developers totally do not get it, because privacy and hyper-sharing is not an issue for them. This is a generation that welcomes ever-more intrusive technology, such as the GPS feature on your phone letting your “friends” know exactly where you are. The definition of “friend” is pretty loose. Would I feel comfortable with a teenaged daughter letting hundreds of people know where she is, what she’s doing, etc? I don’t want to sound paranoid, but the personal info that gets shared is pretty shocking to people who weren’t brought up on a diet of non-stop info, and safety issues are a real concern.

It’s not that we’re too old to change – what is the incentive to change? We were not accustomed to hearing from anyone, save perhaps a best friend or 2, on a several-times daily basis, nor accustomed to an unceasing onslaught of rather trivial, banal and trite revelations.

I value my personal contacts very, very highly. My real friends. I do not really care if they’re going shopping or performing some other mundane task. Although I welcome genuine news from friends, I do not crave it every few minutes. Facebook (or any other such site) simply may not suit your social style, in which case you might be happier sharing what you want to share (and nothing more!) on a ning-style social networking site or having old-fashioned parties. What can replace the hug of an old friend?

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